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	<title>Comments on: The windstorms in BC, and the clean-up controversy</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kee</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffkee.com/hot-issues/windstorms-bc-vancouver-storm-clean-up-controversy-stanley-park/#comment-341</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The greatest problem of ICBC (insurance corporation of british columbia) is that they are publicly owned and inefficient...

Basically, the more insurance fraud/theft/drinking and driving/dumb accidents we have, everybody pays the price. my insurance premiums for my car only go up. Any losses that ICBC sustains will ultimately be taken out of the pockets of the people, like myself.

ICBC is notorious, as it is, for their inefficiency in operations and overstaffing/overpaying due to unions etc. The purpose of being public is to keep things clean and clear for the people but instead we are rewarded with very high insurance prices. Our insurance rates are significantly higher than that in Ontario for one, and I'm sure the similar figures come up with other cross-continental comparisons. 

The only people that will leave with the big millions after a bankruptcy, if ever in ICBC (considering they are public, and they will simply jack up the prices at the face of a deficit, like they always have), nobody walks away with the millions because no individual owns it or has shares in it. The government loses money and the taxes will come out of everybody's pockets!

Oh and yes, I love political debates!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The greatest problem of ICBC (insurance corporation of british columbia) is that they are publicly owned and inefficient&#8230;</p>
<p>Basically, the more insurance fraud/theft/drinking and driving/dumb accidents we have, everybody pays the price. my insurance premiums for my car only go up. Any losses that ICBC sustains will ultimately be taken out of the pockets of the people, like myself.</p>
<p>ICBC is notorious, as it is, for their inefficiency in operations and overstaffing/overpaying due to unions etc. The purpose of being public is to keep things clean and clear for the people but instead we are rewarded with very high insurance prices. Our insurance rates are significantly higher than that in Ontario for one, and I&#8217;m sure the similar figures come up with other cross-continental comparisons. </p>
<p>The only people that will leave with the big millions after a bankruptcy, if ever in ICBC (considering they are public, and they will simply jack up the prices at the face of a deficit, like they always have), nobody walks away with the millions because no individual owns it or has shares in it. The government loses money and the taxes will come out of everybody&#8217;s pockets!</p>
<p>Oh and yes, I love political debates!!!</p>
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		<title>By: J.R.</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffkee.com/hot-issues/windstorms-bc-vancouver-storm-clean-up-controversy-stanley-park/#comment-340</link>
		<dc:creator>J.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 05:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Jeff, the ripple effect that the consumer ultimately pays. But, where one person pays, another collects! Are you not happy for the business owners who reap the benefit of disasters like this? Don't you have investments in oil somewhere? 

And feeling sorry for the car insurance company, you have to remember you are feeling sorry about a corporation, not people. The people are all on salary, they dont' miss a dime. No corporation opperates with such little reserves that they cant take a small blow like this, besides they can just make it up somewhere else with an increase.  

And when a company goes bankrupt, how many at the top leave with millions of dollars? Let the big boys do as they please so the little guy can keep their jobs. 

Don't you like talking politics and stuff? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Jeff, the ripple effect that the consumer ultimately pays. But, where one person pays, another collects! Are you not happy for the business owners who reap the benefit of disasters like this? Don&#8217;t you have investments in oil somewhere? </p>
<p>And feeling sorry for the car insurance company, you have to remember you are feeling sorry about a corporation, not people. The people are all on salary, they dont&#8217; miss a dime. No corporation opperates with such little reserves that they cant take a small blow like this, besides they can just make it up somewhere else with an increase.  </p>
<p>And when a company goes bankrupt, how many at the top leave with millions of dollars? Let the big boys do as they please so the little guy can keep their jobs. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you like talking politics and stuff? <img src='http://www.jeffkee.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kee</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffkee.com/hot-issues/windstorms-bc-vancouver-storm-clean-up-controversy-stanley-park/#comment-333</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, think about how much money is lost by ICBC(car insurance company) on these days when there are more accidents? Think about the excess fuel consumed by thousands of vehicles over 2 days of no power/no signals. Think about the amount of money businesses lose when they cannot have power in their offices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, think about how much money is lost by ICBC(car insurance company) on these days when there are more accidents? Think about the excess fuel consumed by thousands of vehicles over 2 days of no power/no signals. Think about the amount of money businesses lose when they cannot have power in their offices.</p>
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		<title>By: J.R.</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffkee.com/hot-issues/windstorms-bc-vancouver-storm-clean-up-controversy-stanley-park/#comment-332</link>
		<dc:creator>J.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are 100% right! I agree with you. Function before beauty! Get it working , and then worry about the cosmetics. Even though politicians try to create an image of green, they should not try to balance function and beauty 50/50. Function is worth more to everyone. After let the people complain about beauty, then worry about where to allocate tax payer money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are 100% right! I agree with you. Function before beauty! Get it working , and then worry about the cosmetics. Even though politicians try to create an image of green, they should not try to balance function and beauty 50/50. Function is worth more to everyone. After let the people complain about beauty, then worry about where to allocate tax payer money.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kee</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffkee.com/hot-issues/windstorms-bc-vancouver-storm-clean-up-controversy-stanley-park/#comment-321</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes it is true, the park has a lot of value.

I should have specified more. I'm in support of recovering the areas that do affect the usage of the park - for example, all the benches/driveways/walkpaths/parking lots should be clear of debree. But Stanley Park also has a VERY dense forrest area, which nobody can go into anyways because it's too wild - and it's the cleanup of those trees that bother me! Those trees do not alter the effective use of the park in any way - it is PURELY cosmetic..

The difference in cost to clean up JUST the trees that affect the usage of the park vs. cleaning up all the fallen trees is MILLIONS. Stanley Park is huge, and the dense forest area is very wide as well!

My opinion is that fallen trees are just part of nature, and if it doesn't need to be removed for practical reasons it should stay that way. Just like we would any other natural forest that suffers destroyed trees due to storms etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it is true, the park has a lot of value.</p>
<p>I should have specified more. I&#8217;m in support of recovering the areas that do affect the usage of the park - for example, all the benches/driveways/walkpaths/parking lots should be clear of debree. But Stanley Park also has a VERY dense forrest area, which nobody can go into anyways because it&#8217;s too wild - and it&#8217;s the cleanup of those trees that bother me! Those trees do not alter the effective use of the park in any way - it is PURELY cosmetic..</p>
<p>The difference in cost to clean up JUST the trees that affect the usage of the park vs. cleaning up all the fallen trees is MILLIONS. Stanley Park is huge, and the dense forest area is very wide as well!</p>
<p>My opinion is that fallen trees are just part of nature, and if it doesn&#8217;t need to be removed for practical reasons it should stay that way. Just like we would any other natural forest that suffers destroyed trees due to storms etc.</p>
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		<title>By: J.R.</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffkee.com/hot-issues/windstorms-bc-vancouver-storm-clean-up-controversy-stanley-park/#comment-320</link>
		<dc:creator>J.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right Jeff but without a nice park and the restoration of park benches, where will anyone be able to sit and ponder how to improve the cities decaying infrastructers? 

You know what else happens at Stanley Park? You get to chillax, sip on some suds, and escape all of lifes problems all under the warm vancouver sun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right Jeff but without a nice park and the restoration of park benches, where will anyone be able to sit and ponder how to improve the cities decaying infrastructers? </p>
<p>You know what else happens at Stanley Park? You get to chillax, sip on some suds, and escape all of lifes problems all under the warm vancouver sun.</p>
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